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Khergit Deserters
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Posted - 2015.02.10 19:50:43 -
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Therefore, it is possible that the primal human emotion uncontrollable, irrational, tormenting, raging jealousy developed, to prevent most individuals from even having the mental faculties to make that altruistic decision.
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Khergit Deserters
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Posted - 2015.02.10 21:47:26 -
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If only our walking catfish ancestors had had eugenetics, they could have shut down all mutations and kept this whole human thing from getting so out of hand. ::sigh::
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Posted - 2015.02.11 01:11:12 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: If we believe in evolution why do we ensure that the dim and feeble not only live but also breed?
It seems to have worked out so far. Some of the dim ones might have been tougher than others. And some of the feeble ones might have been less dim than the others. --Recent studies---* suggest that most humans lean toward either muscle or phrenetic, but not both.
*Source: A The Economist article, citing something from Nature. Don't mean it's true. But it does fit into an old human common sense observation/stereotype.**
**Keep on yanking our chains, we'll play along. 
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Posted - 2015.02.18 02:28:38 -
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Net neutrality is a test of the idea of Equality vs. Freedom. "Socialists" would say people should have the same share, no matter what their degree of personal power is. They shouldn't be oppressed by big players with more money/power. "Capitalists" would say that that's stifling freedom for those that have the initiative to become more powerful and shape their own futures. Coddling the whiners.
Both sides think they're the ones being the rebels defending freedom from oppression. It's an unsolvable dilemma, as yet.
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Posted - 2015.02.19 00:56:17 -
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jason hill wrote:its all bollox !
 Jason and the Buddha are in perfect agreement. Actually Jason is our resident Buddha.
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Khergit Deserters
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Posted - 2015.02.19 03:05:57 -
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There's a huge meaning to life mate. Problem is, a bunch of logical reductionists weiner-like and denial-like reduced the thinking into "can be proved" or "bah, cannot be proved." That was in the 17th century, they were creating the Enlightenment. Bless them, they did a brilliant job. But it's about 400 years later now. Mechanical universe and rational thinking about life are kaput., imo. In the end, it leads to a Nietzsche conclusion.
Vedas are so cool, they worked all of this stuff 1100 years ago. They even created a really subtle vocabulary of terms for discussing it. You can skip years of euro-american thought-school if you check out old sources. Damn modern egos, they think they were the first persons to ever think. As if the same thoughts haven't crossed mind for so many years and so many climates, over many ages.
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Posted - 2015.02.21 00:29:29 -
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I love Nietzsche. The guy's thoughts are really aesthetically beautiful. The way really good music is aesthetically beautiful. But, as you read along, you can see where the deductive philosophical reasoning is going to lead to. Nihilism, basically. Which is a term sounds kind of cool, but a pretty tough and hopeless philosophy to live with on a daily basis. You're just existing from minute to minute, and putting up with having to do a lot of unpleasant b.s. just to keep your body alive. For what point? So you can keep doing it until you're too old and decrepit to do it anymore?
I've got no objection to using rationale thinking and deductive reasoning to examine the physical world, or the electromagetic/waveform quantum world. But I think using only that one tool as a basic for philosophical examination isn't a good idea. One is unnecessarily limiting oneself to one tradition's (the Greek logic, through Cartesian deconstructionist tradition's) train of thought.* Said another way, rejecting anything that doesn't fit into a certain worldview seems a little narrow, no?
*Source: Quantum physicist Frifjiof Kapra, The Tao of Physics
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Posted - 2015.02.22 00:30:08 -
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The go hand in hand. Like peas and carrots. Or the Illuminati and chemtrails.
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Posted - 2015.02.24 00:50:53 -
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Malaclypse Muscaria wrote:Khergit Deserters wrote:I love Nietzsche. The guy's thoughts are really aesthetically beautiful. The way really good music is aesthetically beautiful. But, as you read along, you can see where the deductive philosophical reasoning is going to lead to. Nihilism, basically. Which is a term sounds kind of cool, but a pretty tough and hopeless philosophy to live with on a daily basis. You're just existing from minute to minute, and putting up with having to do a lot of unpleasant b.s. just to keep your body alive. For what point? So you can keep doing it until you're too old and decrepit to do it anymore? That's not nihilism, that's just depression. Nihilism is doing away with pre-established absolute objective Truths, values, meanings and narratives, and finding / developing your own personal ones, whatever those may be, or however those may change over time. Ideas, not ideologies. It MMO terms, other systems of thought would be the sandbox games, where you are given a set of values, a given purpose, and a path to follow. Nihilism would be EVE, where you make your own. Quote:I've got no objection to using rationale thinking and deductive reasoning to examine the physical world, or the electromagetic/waveform quantum world. But I think using only that one tool as a basic for philosophical examination isn't a good idea. One is unnecessarily limiting oneself to one tradition's (the Greek logic, through Cartesian deconstructionist tradition's) train of thought.* Said another way, rejecting anything that doesn't fit into a certain worldview seems a little narrow, no? *Source: Quantum physicist Frifjiof Kapra, The Tao of Physics I did read the Tao of Physics many years ago, along with a plethora of other similar books, seeking to establish parallels between various types of eastern mysticism and quantum physics, and exploring the nature of consciousness, the fabric of reality, and so on. It was a compelling read indeed, interesting food for thought, particularly back when I used to take a lot more psychedelics - even if it felt at times as if he was stretching a bit much modern physics to fit it into that mold, and indeed his ideas, along with those of others such as Deepak Chopra, or more recently the makers of "What the bleep do we know", have caused a degree of controversy amongst the scientific community. But as interesting as I may find it, I don't personally take it seriously. Quantum physics (along with Relativity) have introduced some counter-intuitive concepts and they have indeed made scientists to revisit the Newtonian view we had of the universe, and there are many things we still don't understand. But that does not mean that we are all part one consciousness, or whatever other "mystical concepts" (ie: someone-pulled-it-out-of-his-nether-regions-thousands-of-years-ago) some of these authors seem to take as an absolute objective Truth. I'd rather stick to evidence and the scientific method when it comes to making science. For playful and whimsical speculative thinking anything goes, of course.
I see what you mean. The thoughts make sense, but the scientific proofs are pretty fuzzy. They seem to be kind of based on intuition and speculation. A series of thoughts and speculations, based on only a few of hard scientific evidence.
But... what if the scientific method itself isn't adequate for the task of discovering reality? As a crude example, what if it's something like trying to use a ruler to measure electromagnetism? It's the wrong tool for the job. The scientific method is definitely the right tool for arriving about conclusions about measurable things. But what if there are things that cannot be measured (using our way of thinking and our current technological tools). If it cannot be proven using the current set of tools, does that mean it doesn't exist?
I just think demanding that everything be measured and "proven" is a limiting factor. If it is something that exists, but our way of thinking cannot conceive of, how can we ever explore it if we limit ourselves to our current set of intellectual tools?
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Khergit Deserters
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Posted - 2015.02.24 03:20:04 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:voetius wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
[ If we believe in evolution why do we ensure that the dim and feeble not only live but also breed?
You are not the evolutionary process. "dim" and "feeble" are your judgements. Evolution through random mutation is ipso facto a random process so it would be better to not introduce a subjective viewpoint IMO. No. We can measure this. If a lame Impala is in the herd and lions get them running, it falls behind and is eaten. When you look at humans, the humans born lame, are wheeled along within the herd, not falling behind and they continue to live into adulthood and pass on those lame genes. We have halted our evolution by continuing genes that would otherwise be eliminated.
I have to disagree, mate. A lame impala can't survive. Same as a lame chick on a farm anywhere in Europe, Asia, Africa, or the Americas. That happens due to basic farming/nature brutality. Compare that to modern human group/consenses decision making. Hot damn, I'd rather be a lame chick on a deep-woods Kamchatka farm, than to have some human deciding who and who isn't worthy. Lame chick at least gets a fair shake of the dice.
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Posted - 2015.02.25 02:09:11 -
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Well, you know, trilobites should have sterilized those mutants among them that eventually turned into fish-things that crawled onto the land. That would have nipped the whole weird-fish thing, into opposum-like-thing, into homo sapiens problem, right at the bud.
Who's to decide which condition ought to be weeded out? Evolution happens through mutations. That said, I'd kind of like to sterilize the last jerk who last cut me off in traffic. For the sake of humanity, please don't let that guy reproduce himself.
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Posted - 2015.02.26 01:11:18 -
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This has nothing to do with overpopulation, selective evolution, or anything at all, but it's an incontrovertible truth: "You always find something in the last place you look." How true that is.
OK, carry on!
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Posted - 2015.03.01 02:36:19 -
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"I say to my daughters, 'If a man likes children and animals, he's a good man. That's the kind of person you want to marry."
"Take an example from your dog. You come home tired after a bad day, and he ripped up your trash and scattered it all around the yard. You get mad, and yell at him and kick your friend. Does he hold it against you? Does he want revenge? No, he comes back, feeling sorry, and knowing your feelings too. All of you guys listening, thing about that. You kick your friend, and he comes back trying to help you. If you want to do this work, you can start right there."
-The late Albert White Hat
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Khergit Deserters
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Posted - 2015.03.07 00:48:31 -
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What if what's called "altruism" is actually the natural behavior of this species? It hasn't been that long in human history that there was much concept of the individual, independently-going human. Through the many millenia until about their were large-ish cities, everybody was a part of a family, band, clan, or tribe. Those were the units that did things. Sure, individual members had their own personalities and own dramas going on. But being overly selfish in a group that shares resources won't be tolerated for long. You can be an Alpha, which is aggressive and self-aggrandizing. But with that comes putting yourself forth as a leader/caretaker, with altruistic responsibilities for caring for the community. Pure selfish aggression wouldn't work, in the long run. You'd have to balance it with some charisma and care for the community. Kind of hard to play-act fake care for people, over days and days laboring together by day, and around fires at night. People in tight communities smell a rat pretty quick.
If you were consistently selfish and didn't show some care for other members of the group, you could end up ostracized, criminal, or a pariah you could get ousted. Which wouldn't help your chances of survival that much. Kind of hard to survive solo, in a sustenance world. No place to dock up, and tough to catch or grow enough food on your own. You might end up like the mysterious Stone Age guy Oetzi the Ice Man, trying to cross the Alps solo in winter .
So, what if what we term "altruism" is really selfish-ism? If you don't have care for other humans, you can get you ejected from the group. Or tolerated, but pushed out to the margins? That might make sense in the "organisms trying to maximize their own gain and reproduce" clinical view of the biology.
Don't know, but my grandma and grandpa were altruists to us little dumbarses. They didn't seem to have decided to be altruists. They'd just been around a long time, and they were pretty cool to humans, animals, plants, and about anything else.
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Posted - 2015.03.12 23:11:08 -
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A big problem with religions is most religious people don't understand what the founder/founders actually said. Or even bother to read the original source, and decide on their own. They're just a member of a group following some tradition, which after many years of doctrinizing and politics, may not have much of the original message left in it.
A foolish man prays to the statue of Shiva and thinks its a god.
A little wiser man says, "That's just a piece of carved wood."
A wiser man says, "That is just a poor physical representation of a profound concept."
-The Upanishads
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Posted - 2015.03.13 00:25:50 -
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I thought that was what Budweiser was for.
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Posted - 2015.03.13 02:41:59 -
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The ignorant, stupid and hard-headed are always among us. Probably best not to try to sort out which one is which. Dogs, cats, birds, reptiles, and small children can do that for you.
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Posted - 2015.03.15 01:39:00 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Khergit Deserters wrote:-xxX-Karl L337 Marxxx Fixed. 
HA!
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Posted - 2015.03.17 01:34:54 -
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What's strange is when you have people so devoted to some peaceful/beneficent social movement that they become aggressive about it. You know, approaching and blocking innocent strangers and demanding that the sign petitions, get on mailing lists, and of course donate money. The idea of the movement is peaceful and well-meaning, but the hardcore believers are as about as angry, militant, thick-headed and aggressive as any redneck fash-ist jackboot.
Humans.... some of them just don't try to get it, or even try to get it.
Anyway, an example of when members of a nice social movement sadly try to get a little too aggressive.... They should have listened to Gandhi and MLK maybe?
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Posted - 2015.03.17 18:17:48 -
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My wife and I lived happily for 25 years. Then we met.
-Rodney Daingerfield
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Posted - 2015.03.30 00:21:06 -
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Such a nice almost-Spring day here in New York, USA that I necroed this thread and wrote a haiku:
Snow still, in the shade
But in the sun, yeh old grill
You're hotting up good
I wanted to add something about my yellow dog going crazy all over the yard on his rope toy. But there was no way to work that in in 5-7-5 syllables. Good thing about haiku is it puts the kabosh on tl:dr,
'I beta tested this game 10 yrs ago. I saw back then it was going to be a carnival of degenerates....'
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Posted - 2015.03.30 23:13:29 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIy76M-4txo
That universe just keeps on expain-ding and expain-ding
Don't forget to drink lots of H2O. Peeing like a racehorse might make you feel like a racehorse.
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Posted - 2015.04.01 23:54:43 -
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Sorry OP, I'm going to litter your thread with another haiku. This one is on the theme of the ephemeral and transient nature of all things. A common theme of samurai death poems.
IT Director
Is getting married in May
Shots Night... is kaput.
My advice to you: Do not ever look up "worst guitar solo" on Youtube. You will be sorry. No joke. Really and truly sorry.
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Posted - 2015.04.02 02:17:42 -
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"I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy."
-Tom Waits
Thinking about DNA-based evolution... So, a Cambrian worm's or more advanced bug arthropod's cells chemically arrange themselves into photo receptor cells. Proto-eyes. Happens over eons, of course. OK, but why have we never seen a fossil with proto-eyes on its back end? Or its underside?
If evolution is just a chemical reaction, repeated over quillions of generations--- where are the missing links? Why those eye lens just magically jumped to the front headlights area?
My advice to you: Do not ever look up "worst guitar solo" on Youtube. You will be sorry. No joke. Really and truly sorry.
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Posted - 2015.05.12 19:46:13 -
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Somehow an airplane with a name intuitively seems kind of dangerous. Like, now it's a reliable old buddy, instead of a craft that needs precision maintenance and focused attention while operating. Maybe if they named the airplane "3.141592" or "a+b/a"...
You're trying to conquer me
You never will conquer me
-Delroy Wilson
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